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    I self taught myself to hand strip so especially in the beginning I wasn't sure if I was doing it right. I read in another post about using thinning shears to cut any sticky outties after hand stripping. I have also skimmed with a #4F to quickly do the same thing. I always felt like I was cheating.... will this do any harm?

    Another question:
    I have a cairn coming in soon that hasn't been hand stripped for 6 months (he has a very thick coat). The owners want me to hand strip it but have it VERY short all over (like 1/2 cm all over). Is it possible after all that time to hand strip it that short? Should I suggest hand stripping and then running a clipper over it?
    I'm really just a little dog in a big dog's body (I really should cut down on those milk bones).

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    From what I've read...

    People who hand-strip and have posted here have talked about the necessity of keeping at the dog's coat on a regular schedule. Personally, I don't hand-strip. However, since I specialize in some high-maintenance dogs (Bichons, mainly) I would tell this client that the dog has gone too long to do what needs to be done, so you will clip it this time and they have to come in within a certain time frame for you to start the stripping. That way you won't waste your time and effort - AND torture the dog - if they do not intend to keep on the schedule you tell them! Also, if they come in after this on schedule, you can do the correct work over 2 or 3 grooms, again saving both you and the dog!

    Actions speak louder than words; they let the dog go 6 months this time. Do not give them what they want at the expense of both you and the dog. They have to do it YOUR way because YOU are the expert!!!

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    • #3
      hand stripping

      The dog can be hand stripped but it will be very hard on you and the dog and will also not leave much coat, not nessarily short but thin, and their coats should be "rotated". My suggestion to them would be to come in approx. every 3-4 weeks for a 2-3 months and let you strip some each time to start the coat rotating cause if you strip it all at one time it is all gonna grow back at the same time and length. I had a cairn breeder that i used to groom for and she would get them done every 6 months and i always stripped them cause thats what she wanted but it made blisters on hands from the stripping knifes and the me and the dogs were worn out after stripping for 2 and 1/2 hours, so when i wuld ask to use one for competition i would always ask if i could have the dog every 3 weeks for a while to get the coat ready and that would work for me.....they difinately do look better stripped!

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      • #4
        I don't hand strip anymore, but I suspect after 6 months the coat is pretty blown. You can strip it, right down to the dog's undies, but it'll take time. If the coat is totally blown, it'll take a little less time. Then they need to start coming back on a regular basis so you can strip out the undercoat and keep the top coat "rolled".

        I wouldn't suggest stripping and then running a clipper over it. That just defeats the purpose of stripping, and would be a monumental waste of time. If you're going to do that, just clip it and card the undercoat.

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        • #5
          Hi Candee!

          I do hand strip only westies but have read about cairn grooming too because my uncle asked me to strip their cairn terrier.

          What I found out really surprised me a bit. The local breed club advices the show dogs to have stripped regularly and for the pet dogs thay tell 2 to 3 times a year is enough. For pet dogs this meas they will bee stripped to their under coat twise a year and that's it. Shouldn't be impossible work to do since the coat of a cairn looses much easier than westie's.

          I wouls strip him down to his under coat all over in your situation.

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          • #6
            Hand Stripping Question

            Can you get a handstripped look on a cairn just by stripping out all the undercoat with a Coat King and neatening up with thinning shears?

            The dog I am talking about has never been clipped. He was being being groomed by a neighbor who had twins and is no longer grooming. I've only groomed the dog once and he was a mess. I got him looking pretty good stripping out the undercoat with tools and neatening with the thinning shears. I doubt the owner wants to spend the money to have the dog really handstripped (she has three cairns- other two are clippered) due to the cost. Also, I'm not interested in getting into that. It's too tough on my wrists.

            Do you think this would work?
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            • #7
              Originally posted by wet noze View Post
              Can you get a handstripped look on a cairn just by stripping out all the undercoat with a Coat King and neatening up with thinning shears?

              The dog I am talking about has never been clipped. He was being being groomed by a neighbor who had twins and is no longer grooming. I've only groomed the dog once and he was a mess. I got him looking pretty good stripping out the undercoat with tools and neatening with the thinning shears. I doubt the owner wants to spend the money to have the dog really handstripped (she has three cairns- other two are clippered) due to the cost. Also, I'm not interested in getting into that. It's too tough on my wrists.

              Do you think this would work?
              I do this too. It looks great ,and seems to be a reasonable compromise for pets, would like opinions of terrier specialists too.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by wet noze View Post
                Can you get a handstripped look on a cairn just by stripping out all the undercoat with a Coat King and neatening up with thinning shears?

                The dog I am talking about has never been clipped. He was being being groomed by a neighbor who had twins and is no longer grooming. I've only groomed the dog once and he was a mess. I got him looking pretty good stripping out the undercoat with tools and neatening with the thinning shears. I doubt the owner wants to spend the money to have the dog really handstripped (she has three cairns- other two are clippered) due to the cost. Also, I'm not interested in getting into that. It's too tough on my wrists.

                Do you think this would work?

                I just hand stripped a cairn that was last in about 6 months ago. I did exactly what you did--hand stripped the back and other areas where I could and thinned out the furnishings. I'm downloading pictures today so I'll post them tonight. I was pretty proud of myself--well behaved little girl too for what she went through.
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                • #9
                  Hand stripping

                  hand stripping, ie; means, taking out the coat right to the skin.
                  clipping down or shaving down means with clippers.
                  hand scissoring means just that completely scissor the dog.
                  there are also terms such as rolling the coat, or fault stripping for example. There are excellent articles "handstripping your schnauzer" by Katherine Britain with pics. (hope I got her name right.) Just google her.
                  Also rolling the coat is to maintain a stripped jacket when it becomes long (or blows). The jacket then gets to a point where it needs to be re stripped.

                  It is very confusing for the consumer if the groomers don't know the correct terms for the procedures.
                  Stripping should not be in a conversation with say, a Bichon client, you can not hand strip a Bichon. We have to say "your dog needs to be shaved down"

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                  • #10
                    Question to Terrier people

                    When I was learning to groom, I was told that if you use clippers on a dog, you will never be able to hand strip it. This is because clippers ruins the hair shaft. Is this correct?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by muddy dog View Post
                      When I was learning to groom, I was told that if you use clippers on a dog, you will never be able to hand strip it. This is because clippers ruins the hair shaft. Is this correct?
                      No it is not. It takes a while to get the harsh hair back but it can be done and has been done numerous times. I had a cocker once that was a ten strip most of her life then we started using her to compte with and she was a gorgeous example of a handstripped coat. I also have a scottie I am HSing now that was a 7 all over a few times and a griff that I work on that was a ten all over for medical reasons and is now back to her HS glory.

                      It takes a while to get the hair cycle back on track but once it is it wouldnt matter. th hair itself is not the same hair that was there when it was shaved. It has been removed and the process restarted.
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                      • #12
                        stripping

                        Originally posted by muddy dog View Post
                        When I was learning to groom, I was told that if you use clippers on a dog, you will never be able to hand strip it. This is because clippers ruins the hair shaft. Is this correct?
                        You can strip a clippered coat BUT it is really tough on you and the dog, and it requires a least two cycles (2 strips, ie; let the coat come back, blow, then restrip) to get that hard tight jacket back.

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                        • #13
                          The Cairn breeders and exhibitors that I have talked to said it is ok to "cheat" as long as it's not obvious.

                          I am trying to learn to hand strip my Cairns so that I can eventually certify with them and compete with them, so that is probably why I'm horrified at the very thought of using blending shears or going over them with clippers. I've had to explain to the breeders that in grooming competitions it is as much about the way the groom was achieved as it is about the final product.

                          It does seem to defeat the point of hand stripping if you turn around and clipper hair.
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                          • #14
                            I cheat all the time on my pet grooms...westies and the like. I do a 40/2 snap then go through with the stripping knife, they look great and have decent texture too. Works for me clients are happy..Joy

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                            • #15
                              I can't wait to see the pics of the handstripped dog. I have NEVER been taught how to hand strip and I am excited to learn it in the future

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