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    One of my favorite dogs came in today. She is the sweetest cocker, always clean with no skin or ear problems and matt free-so in short a miracle where I live. I would take this dog in a heartbeat! She was even my picture dog for my Sporting dog technical. The groomer before me put her in a high pattern since her hair was so short. Her skirt has grown out quite a bit over the past few months, but my manager has had me follow the original pattern since. She is the only Cocker I do in a pattern.

    When the dad called to make the appointment he told me over the phone that he wanted her a bit shorter. I have been doing a #4 cocker cut so I told him I'd use a 5. When he dropped her off, he then elaborated that his wife thought the dog looked "too heavy" in her normal cut and to go shorter all over. Now she is a bit plump, and I'm convinced shaved fat cockers look like baby seals-not flattering. So I discussed with my manager and decided to go with the normal pattern, take a 0 comb to take down the sides and leave the legs as full as possible to make her body look smaller. I thought she looked great and slimmer but the wife is the boss of this household and the dad is the one who picks up and drops off so I won't know till next month if she was happy with it.

    The picture of her with the bandana is from the last groom. And the other picture is from today. She is not the easiest to photograph with that black fur.


    Is there any other tips or tricks I could try? Or does she look slim enough? Obviously I can't perform libosuction but I want to make the client happy since I love this dog.
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  • #2
    The line is way too high! Should be on her side, not up on her back. We ALWAYS use #10's for cocker cuts out here unless the owner wants a longer style, which is never.

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    • #3
      From what i can see in the picture, your pattern line is indeed too high. I'm not a cocker expert, (they are my weak spot!) but I believe the line should start at halfway between the point of shoulder and elbow, move across the body, rise slightly in the flank, then drop slightly on the thigh to show off the muscle. Don't quote me on that though, as I'm not entirely sure that's where your line should be!! And I disagree with SSW, do NOT use a #10 on the back, it's hard to blend. A #7 or longer looks much better. However, she does indeed look thinner this last groom. She's a really cute little girl!!

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      • #4
        I love that you use a longer blade for your cockers, it looks lovely and so much more natural. I think if you drop and blend that line a bit you will certainly have a less chunky pup on your hands.

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        • #5
          She looks very nice, but I would consult with your manager as to why you are continuing to follow a pattern that was set too high. Is it possible that the line being set so high is making her look chunky? Suggest it to the owners for next time. I'm bet they would defer to your expertise and be pleased with the result. Even if you still used the 5 it would change a lot.

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          • #6
            My manager originally said that on cockers that have short hair to use the high pattern and to drop it as they grow out. I keep wanting to drop it and even mentioned to my manage today about doing a lower pattern. She thought that it would look hula skirt like since the dog is a bit chunky. I've just recently completer my 100 dogs and got on commission, so I still defer to my manager quite a bit. Maybe next time I can get away with dropping the line.

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            • #7
              I was taught the same idea, to keep it higher when going shorter on the furnishings. However, print a photo of a lovely cocker in similar lenghts (if someone could please post some?) And show it to your manager beforehand (so she doesn't override you in front of the client). If she approves, show your client.
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              • #8
                I worked for a nationally known cocker breeder at her shop in Albuquerque my first 5 years out of grooming school so I feel I must weigh in here. I agree with everyone here who has said the line is way too high. Your pattern should blend off just above the breastbone on the chest, along the side with a very slight dip in your line just behind the front leg, and back up slightly level with the anus. Your tail set should have a blade width on either side of the base of the tail. In the beginning, if you don't feel comfortable with the dip, then you may just take your line from the breastbone to the privates in a direct line. On pets I do a #10 on the head and top of ears, but I never go shorter than a #7 on the back. I put my 3/8" comb over a #40 blade and, starting at my skirt line, skim down and away lightly to skim off and contour the skirt and side leg hair. Caution...do not dig back in toward the belly at all, just straight down off the fattest part of her side. This saves a ton of scissoring time and all you have left is to scissor up your skirt, legs, etc. Again, if you are not comfortable skimming then you can just scissor everything. I hope you get the chance to groom this dog next time. I would love to see updated pictures!

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                • #9
                  I'm VERY shy to post mine, as I know my cockers are no where near where they should be, but I was quite proud of my blending.


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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by SilverStarWing View Post
                    We ALWAYS use #10's for cocker cuts out here unless the owner wants a longer style, which is never.
                    Egads! I am NEVER moving to Vegas to groom! I have never gone shorter than a 7 on a Cocker and thank goodness...no one has ever asked me to!
                    That's as yucky to me as a 10/15 on a Schnauzer!

                    I do agree about the pattern line being set too high on the body, and something about the ears is bugging me a bit.
                    I suspect I'd take them down just a smidge lower to really clarify the dog's pretty head,...which isn't too chunky.
                    They sort of give the illusion of a lot of obscure bulk...before your eye even moves to the rest of the body.
                    Often it's not what you say, but how you say it.

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                      • #12
                        yes you lines are too high BUT I can understand that you are following the directions of your manager.... to avoid the "hula skirt" blend and then blend again and then blend some more and use your thinning shears to blend that line away... the hair from the shortest points should gradually and smoothly blend into the longer points.

                        The dog is looking even more chubby because your lines are too high and well once you get the lines down where they should be, you can then ask about the dog's diet and make some recommendations there. Helping the client get the slimming they are desiring.

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                        • #13
                          BIG SIGH.

                          I started my career showing American cockers, so I feel I need to weigh in a little too. PLEASE do not use a #10!!! Unless the owner insists and it will cost you the client if you don't! As the professional, you are allowed to educate clients as to what could be a better idea. I have NEVER needed to go shorter than a #7. In fact, I will often use my #5 or #6 depending on the coat. Usually I'll use a 5F to set the line and a skip tooth to blend off the body.

                          Yes, the lower you can go the more you can hide some of the wideness of the body. You can even go shorter on the skirts than you would on the legs to balance a bit.
                          There are 3 different kinds of people in this world: Dog people, cat people, and rational people who don't have a problem liking two things at the same time.

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                          • #14
                            Haha Sibes. Schnauzers are done with 10's here too.

                            Let me tell you, if i ever moved from here i know from all the differences i learned on the forum that i'd have to relearn all the basic lengths and cuts. Its so much different here then anywhere else (and i only know that from ur posts!!)

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                            • #15
                              I agree with everyone else that taking the pattern lower to a more correct placement will help quite a bit.

                              Bernie the thing you're seeing with the ears, IMO is that they aren't shave quite low enough. I was taught to take the ear line to be level with the lower jaw to create a more balanced head piece per Debi Hilley's (Particentral) blog posts and articles. That will make her pretty head look even prettier.

                              Here's the link to her detailed instructions on cocker grooming since she does breed and show them. You can show it to your manager as well to prove you know what you're talking about.

                              http://groomingsmarter.com/cgi-bin/p...rter&page=6037
                              My Blog: <a href="http://groomwise.typepad.com/in_the_dogs_house/">In the Dogs' House Groomwise Blog</a>

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