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  • Just now learning about convex?!!

    Okay, I hate to admit this, but I think some other groomers out there may find themselves possibly in the same boat!

    When researching a new pair of curves, I, of course, hit up my favorite board. (Sorry I haven't been here much lately, I found myself wanting to buy too much when I frequented here, LOL, not to mention doing volunteer work and then I became pregnant and just busy as all get-out!) I first looked up best shears, then best brand, then best OF the brand... I fell on Kenchii flipper curves for my next pair. I wasn't quite ready to spend 200 dollars but decided I needed to have at least ONE pair of finishing shears...since all I have been using is Gators and my old-school Fromm. (love how lightweight they are). So I bought them.... as I continued to peruse the posts I found out so much more about shears than I have ever learned before.

    I only *JUST* found out last night there is a convex shear. Now I knew there were all these different shears and some were labeled convex, some were beveled, etc...but I didn't know there was a difference in the finishing. Here I have been, all these years, (14, to be exact), thinking that these were all just "features"...Not the difference between "blocking" out the style and then "finishing"...

    So there ya go.. there is another type of shear known as a "finishing" which has a super sharp "convex" edge that is what you might be missing if you didn't know... I certainly didn't.

    Miss you guys! Hope all is well, 2 months to go for baby to be here. I still peek in now and again (especially when researching my next purchase. .. You guys just cost me too much money!! :P

    Jessie

  • #2
    Kenchii "Flippers" are convex shears.

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    • #3
      I know! (My post was kind of all over the place)... That was the first pair I've purchased in my entire grooming lifetime! Now that I know about them... Convex shears, that is..

      So to clarify.. I went ahead and spent the 200 and bought the Flippers...

      I only just learned about convex shears thanks to the well presented sight at primpmypooch.org and reading through some of these posts. Someone only haphazardly mentioned it... so I researched it.

      I never knew there was a "finishing" shear... just the harder materials holding edges longer.. I never realized the type of edge was such a difference.

      Hopefully this clarifies what I didn't get about them!

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      • #4
        I love my convex, but there are a few downsides. They require a special technique to sharpen them. DO NOT let your local sharpener serrate them or sharpen them anyway except with the proper tool. Apparently many sharpeners do not own the special tool to sharpen them since it is super expensive. Also, they do cost a little extra to have sharpened. However, this aside they are fabulous. I just keep both normal and convex shears so in a pinch I still have a pair that is easily sharpened if I have problems finding a convex sharpener. I know Kenchii and Ryans can properly sharpen these shears.

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        • #5
          I have the Kenchii Flippers (curved and streaight), I just love them! I'm sure you will, too!


          sittingpretty

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          • #6
            There's so much that goes into shear design and development. SO MUCH!! It is a science, and the way most of us get around learning all of the info out there about shears, is just to take the word of the people at the booth and try them out at the trade shows before we buy--this is the way I did it for years. I had a loose understanding of the different styles and edges, but not of exactly what the differences are in these shears when they are actually laid onto different types of coat. Barbara Bird has an EXCELLENT book that I recommend to anyone who want to stop guessing about their shear purchases or humbly taking the educated advice of a shear manufacturer- (not that they are dishonest, but what works for one groomer doesn't always work for another)- and so that we will also know what questions to ask when looking to purchase. The name of BBird's book is "All About Shears", and the book is phenomenal...it can actually SAVE you a lot of $$ spent on buying the wrong shears!
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            • #7
              Where can you find her book?

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              • #8
                convex curves

                Personally, I am in the unique position of working for and grooming at the home shop for a great repair/sharpener and grooming supply distributor. We sell and sharpen for the show groomers and pet groomers (and wipe our my paycheck). Our experience with convex is to stay far away from the curves. These scissors are sharpened (or should be) by hand on a wet stone and as we all know no two curves are exactly the same. Thus, it is impossible to have exactly the right curve to sharpen these convex. If you get curves send them back to the manufacture for sharpening if they offer that service. Otherwise they will never be exactly the same again and you'll have to settle for a somewhat lesser edge (depending on your sharpener)
                On a side note... Kenchii is discontinuing the Orka line (level 4 for them and convex) and you can get them for 1/2 price ($200) if you can find a vendor that still has them in stock.

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                • #9
                  Just found the link to BBird's book plan on ordering it this week. Here's the link....

                  http://shop.bbird.biz/product.sc?pro...0&categoryId=6
                  "I've seen a look in dogs' eyes, a quickly vanishing look of amazed contempt,
                  and I am convinced that basically dogs think humans are nuts." - John Steinbeck
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by suzy6469 View Post
                    Just found the link to BBird's book plan on ordering it this week. Here's the link....

                    http://shop.bbird.biz/product.sc?pro...0&categoryId=6
                    Status: Backordered. Not this week anyhoo!

                    My sharpener one time attempted to put a serrated edge in my scissors (my Geib Gators) and I was like.. what's up with this? He stated that the groomers in the area preferred it since it grabbed the hair better.. I couldn't get use to the grindy feel of it. Is it beneficial to maybe get one pair of my less expensive scissors sharpened like that? I had him put it back to a smooth edge.

                    Jessie

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                    • #11
                      Can you fix them?

                      Originally posted by serafin View Post
                      Personally, I am in the unique position of working for and grooming at the home shop for a great repair/sharpener and grooming supply distributor. We sell and sharpen for the show groomers and pet groomers (and wipe our my paycheck). Our experience with convex is to stay far away from the curves. These scissors are sharpened (or should be) by hand on a wet stone and as we all know no two curves are exactly the same. Thus, it is impossible to have exactly the right curve to sharpen these convex. If you get curves send them back to the manufacture for sharpening if they offer that service. Otherwise they will never be exactly the same again and you'll have to settle for a somewhat lesser edge (depending on your sharpener)
                      On a side note... Kenchii is discontinuing the Orka line (level 4 for them and convex) and you can get them for 1/2 price ($200) if you can find a vendor that still has them in stock.
                      So, I've been having my convex curves sharpened by a company, which I won't name here, and the guy JUST told me this last time that he can't do a convex edge on curved shears, he said it was impossible. I liked ho they cut when I first got them, and they haven't been the same since that first sharpening. Is it possible to put the convex edge back on them, if I sent them to a company that does convex edges? I was kinda peeved, I mean, why didn't he tell me before?

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                      • #12
                        well my boss and i are kinda confused...what exatually is the diffrence between the convex and the beveled edge??? is one better than the other???
                        Hound

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