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    Help! I have a Min. Schnauzer client that has the worst Schnauzer crud I've ever seen, it actually turns his white hair on his legs a yellowish color. His vet doesn't seem to think it's bad enough for antibiotics and he says he can't smell the sour smell that me and his owner can! Is there any product I can use to help him. His skin is also very sensitive, always has been. I've tried using a toothbrush to gently rub the cruddies off and everything. I'm at my wits end here. Thanks.

  • #2
    First off, it wouldn't hurt to get a second vet's opinion to discuss diet and any possible health reasons. We have countless threads on this board discussing 'crud' of many types. We as groomers should not be diagnosing and treating health problems, but discussion can really bring to light ideas that a client can mention to their vet or seek a specialist to look into...

    In the mean time, here is what I do to help with the symptoms: Use a regular shampoo to clean the area and I use a flea comb to gently comb over the waxy bumps to pull them off. Sometimes I will also add a handful of white sugar and scrub the affected areas to help exfoliate. Rinse, then follow up with a soak in a medicated shampoo. I have used many, but something antimicrobial would be good, there are several out there. I am currently using up a small bottle of Furst Aid by Groomer's Edge. The idea of coal tar creeps me out but this shampoo works really nicely.

    I have several clients whose vets either don't take it seriously, or they just don't know and they don't bother referring to a specialist for further investigation. Those that do care, seem to just prescribe shampoo. But, as I have found, those shampoos work better with a sugar scrub so that the medicine in it can get down to the skin UNDER the waxy ****. By simply exfoliating, the crud has disappeared in most of the dogs.

    If the crud is only appearing in areas that get shaved, I have heard of stripping instead of shaving the areas, or even just not shaving the area so short. For instance, instead of using a #10 down the back, use a #5 or #4. It will be a different look but for the sake of the dog's comfort...

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    • #3
      Yep, I would definately suggest your client get a second opinion. A lot of schnauzer skin is helped by benzoil peroxide shampoo as it flushes & unclogs the hair follicules, but the yellow stinky stuff on the skin sounds like a yeast problem...are his ears funky too?

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      • #4
        PAWS
        Great advice all around. You are right about not over stepping our bounds and referring to the Drs. You can always share your knowledge, experience and the things you have seen that are similar. I always tell them can help with whatever is recomended by the dr.
        I carry an extensive line of theraputic shampoos. They are non perscription but made by a pharmaceudical company. I have a line of all natural shampoos as well. You need the right tool for the job.
        Don't forget we are the hair dresser
        I'm going to try the sugar idea added to the coal tar.

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        • #5
          Thanks. His ears are fine and the crud is on his legs also. I NEVER use a #10 on a Schnauzer as I've read it can actually create the problem. I don't ever diagnose a dog, I always suggest the client bring it up to the vet. I will definitely try the sugar scrub next time he comes and then soak in a medicated bath. She even had gotten a special shampoo from the vet but it didn't help. Poor little guy, he's soooo cute too. I also forgot to mention, his hair has also become dull. He's one of the soft silky ones, with really pretty light silver hair and it used to be shiny. She also has tried Natural Food Dog Foods. Is it ok to use a leave in conditioner or a wash out one, I haven't dared to w/this skin issue.

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          • #6
            I agree a second opinion is in order. This doesn't sound like the typical "Schnauzer Bumps". It sounds like either yeast or bacterial infection. Maybe both.

            The owner should ask the vet (either a second one or the one she's already seen) to do a few smears. You can't tell anything just by looking with the naked eye, for crying out loud. Smear impressions, cultures, maybe even a biopsy, need to be done.

            It doesn't surprise me if the vet can't smell the same thing you smell. Chalk that up to olfactory fatigue. If you smell "doggy" odors all day, eventually you quit smelling them. So she should insist on the smears and/or cultures.

            While I know the tar shampoos can do a fantastic job on some skin issues, I also know the tar is considered to be a carcinogen. I don't worry so much about the dogs. I worry about me! Groomers get more exposure to the stuff than the dogs do. So if you use a tar shampoo, WEAR GLOVES!

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            • #7
              I have one schnauzer that developed "schnauzer bumps" and nothing the owners did worked. Vet had them on different drugs, they tried different foods, finally they gave up. He comes in every 3 weeks so I starting using a sugar scrub and now he has no more bumps! Yay!

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              • #8
                Not suggesting this to the OP, but one of my schnauzer clients had a dog with the schnauzer bumps along his spine and on the rump area and she bought astringent and rubbed the area with a cotton ball soaked with the astringent every night and the bumps cleared up. If they are clogged skin pores, this makes total sense that it works. When the bumps start to reappear she starts the astrigent treatment again and this keeps the skin clear. But this would not be for the OP because they did not describe regular schnauzer bumps but a condtion that sounds like a yeast or bacterial skin problem and needs a vet to diagnose.

                Just thought I'd share something about the schnauzer skin bumps issue

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                • #9
                  You guys have been so great as usual. I just want to make the little guy comfortable. Thank you so much, I'll keep you updated!

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                  • #10
                    one more little thought-

                    I agree with all the others I would get a second opinion too-I am working toward
                    certification and they tell us right off if you don't have a degree don't play doctor-
                    that may sound a little hard but they do have a point.
                    and also you can go to www.jodimurphy.net and she has a dvd about
                    the Schnauzer where she explains some of the problems that can also
                    cause those little bumps on these little guys.

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                    • #11
                      A lot of my schnauzers that I groom have varying degrees of this. Sulfoxydex shampoo used in a recirculator does wonders. Unfortunately I can't find it anymore. I tried Pyoben and it doesn't work as well, but it does work a little bit.
                      "The most affectionate creature in the world is a wet dog." -Ambrose Bierce

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                      • #12
                        Hi I am not a veterinarian but I work closely with one. The veterinarian provides me with shampoo and when I see schnauzers or other pets with skin probelms I notify the owner of what I see and recommend them to have their pets skin checked out. Skin problems can be soo many things, food allergy, seasonal allergy, yeast infections the list goes on and on. Someone mentioned Sulf Oxy dex I use it alot and like it. But I love to use NuSal-T by DVM its a salicyclic acid and coal tar menthol shampoo. It is stinky and has to soak at least 5-10 minutes but it is amazing how much better the dogs skin will look. I use as the veterinarian recommends the client to use. If a pets skins is really bad and the veterinarian oks we do a medicated bath and groom and then do a discounted medicated bath only 1 week later to get them off to a better start. I think the sugar scrub idea is fascinating...do you think the dog had clogged pours and the scrub helps?

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