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    I have a question for everyone. Just looking for some suggestions. I have a great pyrenese coming in on Friday. He is massive and only gets done twice a year. I keep trying to get him in more often but the owners just won't hear it. Anyways, usually when he comes in I use my HV dryer and my undercoat rake and spend about 3 hours trying to blow the coat out and rake at the same time. Do you think if I put him in the tub first and use the hydrosurge to really get shampoo down into the coat and then HV it would help loosen up the coat and maybe blow out a little easier due to being a little cleaner? I know he would then need another bath because obviously the first one wouldn't be really getting down to skin and get him clean enough, but then I could bathe him again and HV again. Do you think it might be a little easier on his skin??? Even being very careful, after 3 hours of raking and HV his skin starts to get tender looking. How would you guys do it??? Any suggestions would be great. Thanks.

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    Put him in the tub, shampoo - rake, rinse - repeat. Condition - rake - rinse.
    Some people say to HV with the shampoo and conditioner on but that is way too messy for me. Do you have a coat king or furminator or anything like that? I will use them in the tub too with either shampoo or conditioner. Also a zoom groom is good for helping to loosen the hair. I can usually get the dogs clean with this method and the Bathing Beauty. I am not about to bath again after blow drying.

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    • #3
      When I did the big furries, I did just like Misty. Soap, rake, rinse, repeat. Condition, rake, rinse. If they were really dirty and hairy I'd scrub with the Zoom Groom. I don't have a hydrosurge, but this process got them clean.

      And one other thing; seeing as these folks aren't willing to get the dog groomed more often, hit 'em in the wallet. This is a massive undertaking, and they should be paying up to the eyeballs for it.

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      • #4
        I would soap him up and get out my coat king and get out as much as I could with that, while you keep him well lathered and wet and soapy just keep going with the coat king, This lets the soap get down to the skin because you are thinning out his coat while the soap is soaking in. Don't try to get it all out during the bath. But rinse and condition and coat king some more then rinse and blast. and I even coat king while I blast. Since the coat king cuts the hair it is much less irritating than raking all the undercoat out. We just did a Husky that had not been bathed in 6 months with this method and she turned out nice.

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        • #5
          Thanks guys. Do you ever run into trouble with the coat kings, as far as leaving the hair looking too thin or kind of choppy looking? I have coat kings but am kind of afraid to use them, as I feel like I will make bald spots.

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          • #6
            I found a wonderful product for the big hairys. I used it on a GP and it worked great. I washed 2 times and used the zoom groom to really get down in there. Then I toweled the dog off really good. Then used the Quadrupet leave in conditioner and let it sit for about 5-10 minutes. Then blast away with your HV. The hair will fly off in massive clumps. This conditioner has the consistancy of water, so it does not weigh the coat down. It does however release the dead hair. Call them and get a sample. I am sure you will love it as much as I do. I used it tonight on my lab. due to the weather being warm here lately, she is blowing her coat again. Boy is she going to be cold tomorrow. It is in the 30's now.
            If your dog is fat, you are not getting enough exercise!

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            • #7
              Careful!

              Just wanted to say be careful with the coat king while the dog's wet. Two reasons: 1) their skin seems to me to be more sensitive when wet, and 2) it's harder to gauge how much hair you're taking off with the ck when they're wet and you don't want to end up with a big bald spot.
              Erin
              No Fur, No Paws, No Service.

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              • #8
                I, too, bathe first. I would also hit them, like Helly said, in the wallet. I hope you're not breaking your back for peanuts. You're not a monkey, you need more than peanuts.

                Tammy in Utah
                Groomers Helper Affiliate

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                • #9
                  Plus!

                  Dittos to all that has been previously stated.

                  Only addition I would make is Best Shot!

                  Love the stuff.

                  Jason

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                  • #10
                    I have never left a bald spot in a coat yet and I use it a lot. If you are worried about that use the wider spaced teeth coat king. Since we have been using this method we have gotten such an increase huskies and pyrenees, and other double coated breeds. I even use it on goldens while they are soapy. And being soapy helps the undercoat slide out easier. But I agree with Diamanono a good light conditioner helps alot too. Here in Texas those big hairy breeds need to be thinned out a little not just brushed out. Too much undercoat traps the moisture in the summer months and causes a lot of skin problems in this region.

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                    • #11
                      I swear by my zoom groom, I love it. but I agree with all of the above especially with the furminator and undercoat rake. Could not live with out them.
                      "Whoever Said That Money Can't Buy Happiness Forgot About Puppies"
                      Nancy

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by SpikeyTheYorkie View Post
                        I, too, bathe first. I would also hit them, like Helly said, in the wallet. I hope you're not breaking your back for peanuts. You're not a monkey, you need more than peanuts.

                        Tammy in Utah
                        Elephants work for peanuts and monkeys work for bananas lol get your animals straight. lol
                        If your dog is fat, you are not getting enough exercise!

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                        • #13
                          Coat King Question

                          Originally posted by Poodlefluff View Post
                          I have never left a bald spot in a coat yet and I use it a lot. If you are worried about that use the wider spaced teeth coat king. Since we have been using this method we have gotten such an increase huskies and pyrenees, and other double coated breeds. I even use it on goldens while they are soapy. And being soapy helps the undercoat slide out easier. But I agree with Diamanono a good light conditioner helps alot too. Here in Texas those big hairy breeds need to be thinned out a little not just brushed out. Too much undercoat traps the moisture in the summer months and causes a lot of skin problems in this region.
                          I am curious what blade of Coat King would you recommend to use on a Great Pyranese? Also do you recommend having all of the coat king blades on hand for various breeds and coats or just a selection? Thanks for the info!
                          Last edited by toomuchfunbnme; 01-10-07, 10:47 AM. Reason: clarify

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                          • #14
                            If I were grooming the dog, I would probably HV with shampoo and rinse, condition, HV and let sit for 30 minutes or more... then rinse, towel dry and HV. I would much rather spend my time and energy blowing out most of a coat then trying to rake it.

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                            • #15
                              Which undercoat rake are you talking about?? I have never even thought about using mine on a wet dog. I can't remember the name of mine, but it is a big round thing that you can unhook at the handle and make it a big straignt thing (anyone know what I am talking about?). I always "wet brush" w/a good slicker and it pulls out TONS of undercoat. Then I HV the heck out of them!!! Do be careful with his skin though, it does seem like the GP's have kind of sissy skin.
                              SheilaB from SC

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