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    Do they all have a hard to care for coat? Everyone I've ever done has cotton candy hair! JUst frustrates me no end, makes me not want to groom them any more. Thw solid colors don't seem as hard, does any one else find this?
    ~~Everyone is entitled to my opinion!~~

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    It is genetic. If the dogs in your area that are breeding have ****** coats, the pups will. Most of my Partis have the B EST coats. I find ASCOBs to be the worst. In other areas its different colors. My own partis have rock hard coats. No fuzz.
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    • #3
      I find that a lot of cockers that get shaved regularly and are "fixed" have that coat...not sure if it's a color thing or not, I haven't noticed it being more prevalent in one color over another.
      There are 3 different kinds of people in this world: Dog people, cat people, and rational people who don't have a problem liking two things at the same time.

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      • #4
        The days of dogs with coats like that on Ch. My Own Brucie are gone and never to return. What a shame Cockers were turned into the Poodles of the Sporting Group.

        The best solution to the cotton candy coats on modern Cockers is a #7 blade - or #10.

        All over.

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        • #5
          Ch. My own Brucie? I groom several field/old type cockers that have the same type of hair, so they are not forever lost if you want one.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Doubledogdare View Post
            The days of dogs with coats like that on Ch. My Own Brucie are gone and never to return. What a shame Cockers were turned into the Poodles of the Sporting Group.

            The best solution to the cotton candy coats on modern Cockers is a #7 blade - or #10.

            All over.
            And I say THANK GOODNESS! It is not what we strive for today, and no one would ever even think a dog that looked like he does would be an american cocker today. YES the breed has changed, but so has practically every breed out there, very few for the better. AND I have to say that MODERN cocker coats in the ring are NOT the spay/nueter coats we see in the shop. They are HARD, STRIPPABLE and easy to care for, and not cotton candy soft.

            Comparing those two types of cockers (Brucie to Andrew for example)is ridiculous. Brucie actually was an English by todays standards. and show sup more on english cocker websites and pedigrees than americans.

            http://chestnutenglishcockers.com/ab...yOwnBrucie.jpg

            http://www.showcasecockers.com/andrew.jpg
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            • #7
              OMG I thought the same thing! I had 2 that boarded with us , and the woman was like oh honey you can do whatever you want to them if you want(she knows I am a new groomer) I usualy shave em bald.I was like did you want the groomer to shave them ,she said no not relally.But if you want to practice on them have at it,the are older So I was a little scared but after a few days I couldnt stand it anymore .I tried to straighten their coats like a poodle with the dryer -it didnt work.
              I tried to leave them a skirt but it didnt really look that great either.
              what do you do for those kind of coats? the ears looked like an afro(sp) I thought about using thinners on the ears but I didnt because I wasnt sure.

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              • #8
                I do two big boys each month that were just terrible. Of course the owners wanted them in C. Cuts. No luck the 7 a/o. lol, so I started using the undercoat rakes on them. Wow, what a difference. It lessen their matting by a huge amount and their coats are starting to feel much better.

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                • #9
                  I do a Liver & white and he never matts, never! He's about 4yrs old and neutered and has never been clipped down. I had posted a pic of him before. He's huge, good coat, but lacks in the brain department.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Fast Ellie View Post
                    He's huge, good coat, but lacks in the brain department.
                    He's a PARTI! LOL NONE of them have many brains.....its tru too that the prettier they are the less they tend to have.

                    AN old cocker persons saying is that Someone GAVE me a show quality parti. Not sure if they love me or hate me!".
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                    • #11
                      Is it just me or do you notice they ALL hang thier heads when you try to do anything to them? brushing combing anything?

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                      • #12
                        OK, I remember reading that, with human hair, blondes tend the have more per square inch and red heads the least. I've always wondered if it was similar in the dog world. It seems to red cockers, red goldens, etc tended to have the thinner coats. Most of the mostly white parti cockers I've met have had thinner coats than the buffs. I've just always wondered if it worked the same way. I have an extremely ugly (by cocker standards) parti cocker who has always had an incredibly thin coat. Most I have done that look similar to her are the same way.
                        What a caterpillar considers the end of his world, we call a butterfly.

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                        • #13
                          AN old cocker persons saying is that Someone GAVE me a show quality parti. Not sure if they love me or hate me!".


                          lol that's the way we felt about brown poodles years ago. Did show one black bitch for an owner and we used to laugh at her. "she had a brown brain"

                          That Brucie dog does look like an Engie.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by PawsBdd View Post
                            I do two big boys each month that were just terrible. Of course the owners wanted them in C. Cuts. No luck the 7 a/o. lol, so I started using the undercoat rakes on them. Wow, what a difference. It lessen their matting by a huge amount and their coats are starting to feel much better.
                            Exactly! If you can strip out the excess undercoat, you will find that the coat that is left is more like the good show coats and much easier to care for. They dry faster without that soft undercoat, too. Ideally, stripping, carding or layer stripping is best, but on pets, you can get away with using a coat king (or maybe even a couple of them with different spacings). The coat kings are still better than just clipping them and not doing anything about the undercoat.

                            The old school method of bulk thinning the furnishings is not good, because it really doesn't get rid of the undercoat and leaves a lot of different lengths of coat which will mat up even more.

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                            • #15
                              Ummmn

                              I would take Andrew over Brucie and day of the week. My parti's (way back in the day 80's and 90's) had beautiful easy care coat. I only had problems with my buffs for the most part.

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