Are hybrids here to stay?

[ejmj30]

Hubby just found "Purebred Puggle puppies" for sale on craigslist.com for $700. He was making fun of them and even emailed them asking how can they be purebreds when they're mixed breeds, I can't wait to see their response.

Do you guys think hybrids are a dying breed, passing fad, or the new doggie in the window?

[RevWind]

Unfortunately, with as much press as they get, probably a permanence. I just hope they don't push to get any of them AKC recognized. They'll all end up in the miscellaneous...unless they create a "vanity" category.

[Helly]

Honestly, it's hard to predict. I hope it's just a passing fad, but as the old saying goes, "There's a fool born every minute..."

Aaah, for the good ole days, when we used to call them mistakes instead of a cash crop.

[ejmj30]

An argument I've heard a lot is that all "purebreds" were once mixed breeds. My rebuttal is usually that the founders of whatever breed had a purpose in mind, an end goal to which they strove and didn't stop after the first breeding. Are you guys all in agreement that these hybrids are just money-makers, or do you think there's a purpose behind any of them (aside from maybe the first labradoodle/doodle crosses for temperament and low allergenic).

[afghangypsy]

Actually, I believe they are mixed breeds - aren't hybirds a cross of 2 different species (i.e. wolf/domesticated dog)? As far as the AKC recognizing them - I highly doubt it will happen unless the "breeders" of these dogs can show ethics in their breeding programs - of which I think they probably don't know what that is. I remember some years ago when Cockapoos were all the rage and there was some buzz about them being recognized - it didn't happen and I feel the same thing will happen with these mixes. I have nothing againest the dogs themselves because the reality is that many of them will end up in shelters when the novelty wears off - human nature can be fickle at times. The people breeding them are another story though - they are being bred for greed and nothing more. Breeding them will go on as long as people continue to buy them Shame on them.

[Helly]

There are a few possibly legitimate breeds in the process of creation. Like the Mi Ki. If they continue the way they started, they may actually develop into "purebred" status. But the vast majority of the crosses are just that; crosses. There is no vision, no plan, no breed standard. Just lots and lots of big bucks.

Most of the people doing the breeding aren't thinking of creating a new breed. They're just tossing a male and female dog together and waiting 9 weeks. What they get is what they get.

The Labradoodle folks would have been wise to have chosen a better name if they wanted to create a new breed and have it taken seriously. If nothing else, Labradoodle just sounds silly.

[Terry]

Now the hybrids are making hybrids. I saw a classified ad in the local paper for a shih/maltese/puggle puppy! AAARRGH!

[Pixie]

An argument I've heard a lot is that all "purebreds" were once mixed breeds. My rebuttal is usually that the founders of whatever breed had a purpose in mind, an end goal to which they strove and didn't stop after the first breeding. Are you guys all in agreement that these hybrids are just money-makers, or do you think there's a purpose behind any of them (aside from maybe the first labradoodle/doodle crosses for temperament and low allergenic).

Well isn't the rebuttal from these founders of these "wonderful" breeds, the purpose in mind, an end goal to which they strove for was a "get rich plan"??
The purpose for them is just to make money. I don't care what anyone else says. They are probably here to stay.

[misscatahoula]

The Doodle thing is very reminiscent of the cockapoo thing in the 80's. Every 3rd dog seemed to be a cockapoo. Now nobody has one. Today it's doodles and the bichon/shih tzu x. In 10 years it will be some other mix. The mix might change, but I think the mixing of dogs is probably here to stay, which is sad since most of the people breeding them consider nothing but making $.

[Crystal]

I hope they will pass, but I'm afraid they won't.

Tonight a friend of mine who knows very little about dogs told me she wants a Maltipoo. I didn't even know where to start. I didn't want to sound critical right off the bat, but it's hard not to. So I just first explained that it's a mix-breed dog, and what it's mixed with.

She had looked them up on the net and saw a really cute website with an ad "order your pup today!". The one she saw I think read 1000$.

She isn't planning on one now, but maybe in the future. It's really hard to point a friend in the right direction, when they are not asking your opinion in the first place.

The reason people don't steer away from situations like that, and go for rescue or reputable breeders, is because I think they just don't know what really goes on and why these designer mixes cost so much.

soooo sad.

[baddog]

I think more than the dogs, the people who get talked into paying crazy money for them and then act like they have a "rare breed" dog cracks me up.
"Do you know how to groom a jack-a-poo"? Well I know how to groom a poodle and a jack russel, so I guess I do!

There is this "puppy mill" store by my shop that sells these ugly Russian dogs called a "maltese blanca" for $2800.00, they look like an ugly lhasa and people pay!!!!!!!!!!!

[Fluffy Puppy]

Now the hybrids are making hybrids. I saw a classified ad in the local paper for a shih/maltese/puggle puppy! AAARRGH!

I seen an English Bulldog/Puggle mix pup on postaroo. Surprisingly it was a really cute puppy. It was free only because it had cherry eye...but that will take some $ to fix. I wonder what they asked for the rest of the pups.

[SuziJ]

Being bred in Ploand.... maltease Yorkie ( white yorkies) mixes they are comming out all while with the color spots of the yorkie on the body with the hair texture of a maltease.

Or what abouth the chineese chrested powderpuff? that is a chineese chrested mixed with poodle or shihtzu?....
I have to agree tho that they are here to stay!

And someone mentioned that the purebreed dogs of today being the mixes of yester year... true! the German shepard dog has terrier in the line. And the original GSD's didnt look anything like they do now.

[neanea]

I doubt that any of these "breeds" (term used very loosely) will ever be recognized. Alot of these so-called breeders are using breeding stock that is not even AKC registered.

We have a client, an older, handicapped lady, that has recently acquired a "toy" schnauzer and a toy poodle. They are just pup's and she is going to "breed" Schnoodles. This lady has NO BUSINESS breeding any kind of dog. While I am totally disagree with her intentions, the dogs do need to be groomed and I guess it's not my place to tell her my feelings on this. For heavens sake, she can't even open the door herself OR carry her dogs into the grooming salon. She pulls up, comes in (with help) and then I have to go out to her car and get the dogs (who are in carriers that are TOO small). What is she going to do when it comes time to deliver pups or have to rush them dam to the vet with complications.

[edderland]

powderpuff cresteds

I beg to differ with you ;the powderpuffs are not mixed breeds, hairless dogs carry a coated gene; they are kept and bred back into the hairless dogs do give stronger dentition, and better crest and foot coat, and they help keep the hairless puppies warm. In Chinese Cresteds, the powder puffs show right along side the hairless dogs, many of them win their champinships and go on to group and even a bis win is possible.
Not all hairless breeds produce coated puppies, but many do.
some are short haired genetically, and the coated puppies have smooth coats like a beagle, or dachshund; in those breeds the hairless dogs have only a stubble on the crest and feet, instead of the flowing coat of the powderpuff crested.

Also, the yorkie parti color dogs have been genetically tested in England and are pure breds. The original ones from Germany (Biewar yorkies)
are also pure breds,but the initial breeder decided that rather than work to change the breed standard to accept them, he would rather have them been a new and rare breed and command higher prices. They require dna tests to register them, and also some health tests including testing for liver shunts.

Not everything you are familiar with is a mixed breed.
Deidre

Or what abouth the chineese chrested powderpuff? that is a chineese chrested mixed with poodle or shihtzu?....
I have to agree tho that they are