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    I have a customer who bought a bichon cavalier x over the internet.She said the breeders crossing them because of health problems associated with the cavaliers.She told me their quite popular this is the first one I've ever seen she said their called cavachons.Cute puppy tho the color and build of a cavalier with curly guard hairs the coats sort a like a broken coat JR.

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    I had one of those that had more like extremely thick curl cocker hair and another one that had like a fluffy drop coat. Both were extremely cute though. The one with the thick coat matted very easy and of course had no tolerance for dematt. I love the cavaliers by themselves they have the cutest faces.

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    • #3
      Thats interesting. Just yesterday I groomed a dog that was listed as a cavalier. When I went to go get him I saw that he had really curly hair. He had the body and color of a cav. king and the head of a bichon. My guess was that he was either a poodle or bichon mix. I bet he is one of these new "designer" dogs! He looked exactly like a bichon-cav. king cross!

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      • #4
        I groom a cava-chon puppy. He has the color of a cavalier but the build of a bichon. His fur is fine and straight but he's still a puppy -- we'll see if it gets curlier as he gets older. He's real cute.

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        • #5
          There are two of them who come to the grooming salon I work in, from two different families. I hate to say it, because I am totally against these so-called designer dogs, but they are very cute little dogs. Sweet too.

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          • #6
            No No No.....

            Okay---I will tell you up front, I am extremely biased when it comes to Cavaliers. (Our family is getting a little female blenheim in 4 weeks!!)

            However I am worried about Bichons being crossed with the Cavaliers. Cavaliers do have health problems and the responsible breeders are trying to breed out the problems. But with that not happening yet, I am afraid that eventually the Bichons will have the health problems of the Cavaliers.

            These health problems are very serious within the Cavalier and its not easy to find breeders that know what they are doing. There is a lot of research of the different lines that need to be taken into consideration when breeding Cavaliers.

            I do think that the cavachons are cute---but not as cute as the Cavalier or Bichons!!

            Are there any other Cavalier owners on this site?

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            • #7
              Thing is with the health problems that may be caused by recessive genes they may get away with it in the first cross but the next generations will likely have it show up. Also a lot of things don't show up until the dog is middle age or older.

              We had someone bring us a little Cavalier girl they had found today. She had a rubber band that had been put around her muzzle and it had eaten into the poor girls flesh. As much pain as she had to be in she never stopped wagging that tail.

              Lisa

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              • #8
                I have a huge problem with the "designer dogs" in general. If it was "bred"...it's "designer". If it's sitting on death row in the pound...it's a mutt. Millions and millions of dogs are slaughtered every year and people are intentionally breeding mutts. My customers have asked me about the designer dogs and I've told them, if you want a designer dog...go to the pound and rescue one.

                I'm not saying they're not cute. I just think it's horribly unethical and irresponsible breeding.

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                • #9
                  All this nonsense these so called breeders spew about health concerns is just a bunch of hogwash. As if any of them are doing any genetic screening or health testing. Ask any of them if they've bothered to do a genetic pedigree on any of their dogs and they'll look at you like you just flew in from Jupiter.

                  You can't take a breed that's predisposed to patellar luxation, cross it with a different breed that's predisposed to patellar and expect to get puppies with normal patellas. And if you take a breed that's predisposed to patellar luxation and cross it with a breed that's predisposed to Legg/Calve/Perthes disease, you could end up with puppies that have luxating patellas AND femoral head necrosis. Wouldn't that be lovely?!?

                  It's all about the money. It's always been about the money, and it will always be about the money.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by FozEBear View Post
                    I have a huge problem with the "designer dogs" in general. If it was "bred"...it's "designer". If it's sitting on death row in the pound...it's a mutt. Millions and millions of dogs are slaughtered every year and people are intentionally breeding mutts. My customers have asked me about the designer dogs and I've told them, if you want a designer dog...go to the pound and rescue one.

                    I'm not saying they're not cute. I just think it's horribly unethical and irresponsible breeding.
                    I agree with everything you said plus the price they pay for the designer dogs are crazy labradoodles in my area are 800.00 ans up.

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                    • #11
                      Can someone post a picture if they have one. Would love to see what they look like. Thanks!
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                      • #12
                        That they wont have the "health" problems of the cavaliers is WRONG WRONG WRONG. Now the little guys are going to have the problems of BOTH the bichons AND the cavaliers.

                        Another thing is that you just wont know what kind of build/coat it's going to have by throwing the 2 breeds together to mate. Like ____doodles, you MIGHT get a shedder, you might not. You MIGHT get a curly coat, you might not. You MIGHT get a poodle build, you might not. You MIGHT get an easy maintenance dog, you might not.

                        To say they will look a certain way, have a certain coat, or build, or lack of health problems due to this mix is so pathetically wrong. (And this is not in reference to any comments here, just speaking my thoughts).

                        Tammy in Utah
                        Groomers Helper Affiliate

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                        • #13
                          I do a cavashue (not sure if that's how "they" spell it) but its a cava and a shih tzu mix. Heck of a coat. Mats like crazy.

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                          • #14
                            I'm not as anti mixes

                            as some are. I know that most purebreds once were mixed. My Black and Tan Coonhound is believed to be a Foxhound and Bloodhound mix with Black and Tan Terriers possibly. I do think that this will not solve health problems could just add some just by doing that, and I do think it is rediculous to overcharge for such.

                            Funny I can pretty much recognize a Labradoodle or Goldendoodle on the street.

                            Wet noze, anytime you wish to see dog pictures, just Google with the name in. I can get so lost in surfing the web starting with something that I'm curious about such as this mix breed. There were a lot of puppy pictures, but this one seemed to have more adults.

                            http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/cavachon.htm

                            Pups look pretty much like Cavaliers to me.

                            I'm still not sure if it's okay to post some web site in this message board, hope it is, at least with no gain for anyone I know in this case.
                            Money will buy you a pretty good dog but it won't buy the wag of it's tail.

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                            • #15
                              I'm not anti mixed breed at all. But I am anti lying to people about them. Saying they're a "breed" when they aren't. Saying they won't have health problems when they might. Saying you're breeding mixes because of the health problems in purebreds, but never doing any health testing or genetic screening.

                              Then there's the conditions many of the parent dogs have to live in; filthy cramped cages with poor quality food and dirty water...when they get food and water. Living in a foot of feces and urine. Dead dog bodies thrown in the corner and rotting. And last of all, charging people 3 times what they can probably get a really nice, well bred, pet quality puppy for.

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