Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

why so difficult?

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • why so difficult?

    I am very interested in becoming a certified pet groomer and have been researching the major certifying organizations in this industry. I find it very discouraging that in order to become a certified pet groomer you need to plan on it taking many years and a lot of money. The amount of opportunities offered thoughout the year for testing is very limited. If you do find a testing site that you can go to, many times you have to spend a lot of money traveling to the site and paying for a hotel. If these certifying organizations really want to make certifications available to the majority of groomers out there then they need to provide much more opportunities for testing. They need to have representatives from their organizations in each major state that can regularly offer tests to interested groomers. I know that I will not be able to test for certification until more opportunities for testing become available.

  • #2
    Part of the reason is...

    It is not necessary to be a certified groomer in order to groom professionally. You can go to school, or apprentice with someone, and build your skills and expertise. Certification is not at all required.

    So since it's optional, and since groomers are not as plentiful as hairdressers, I guess it's a bit expensive to offer certification, as well as to get it.

    I am not certified, and don't really want to be. I dislike jumping through hoops for other people when I know that I do a good job. Now if I wanted to learn show grooming on specific breeds, that would be a challenge I could enjoy. I already specialize in Bichons. Other groomers like the challenge of getting certified and want to say that they are a "master groomer". Some call themselves master groomers even when they don't have the certificate. Some master groomers aren't all that good as daily groomers. Some states apparently have some kind of "certification", but of course it is not remotely like the certification for "master groomer".

    So you see, it's not readily available because it's not really needed.

    Comment


    • #3
      Debbie is right, you don't "need" to be certified to be a good groomer.

      Certification is a goal I have in order to improve my skills (which I feel are already pretty good), and for the sake of accomplishment. I like working hard, and I like that feeling of reward. I once took a "hellish" class in college called Statistics, lol, and many students came out of it with a "C" or lower. I got a B+ and I felt so good because I'd worked SO hard. I have ZERO use for that class now but I have no regrets.

      And, while I feel that I am a good groomer now, I know there is always room for improvement. I learn so much by working toward my certification.

      Now, why are there not representatives in every state? Through NDGAA your chances are greater at finding someone, but the problem is that, like Debbiedogs, not many people feel the 'need' to certify and therefore there are not a lot of certified groomers out there.

      Here is what I do to pay for it all: I save my tips! I do not blow them on lunches, or smokes, or my kids (if I had kids), or anything else with a few exceptions when I need something or really want something. After a year of saving them, with a few bucks spent here and there in between, I have a LOT of money to spend. If I saved every dime I made from tips, I'd have about $2000 at the end of the year. I used to think I didn't make much in tips, until I started saving them. AND, as I started saving them, I realized how much I loved getting them, which helped my customer service skills improve, although I always tried to be kind, and the tips increased.

      So, my suggestion to you is to save your tips!

      Tammy in Utah
      Groomers Helper Affiliate

      Comment


      • #4
        Good advice Tammy

        Like the insight you have into how you operate.Thanks

        Comment


        • #5
          thanks for your replies

          I have been grooming for 5 years now and thought it would be educational and helpful to get certified. I have talked with other groomers who have thought about getting certified but like me, are discouraged because the process takes so long and can be very expensive. I just hope that eventually testing to become a certified groomer will become more convenient. Thank you to all who replied.

          Comment


          • #6
            I am not done certifing yet, but want to get done in the next 6 months, if I really wanted to I could have been done months ago, but I am in no rush. I tested out with 3 of the 4 dogs at one show. I competed with them and used them for certification. It can be difficult, but if you really want to do it you can. I know people who have done all their testing in a day or 2. I think azoci on here did that with some others from her area. I am sure it is not easy, but it can be done. If you really want to do it, you have to make the time, and the committment and save up the money. While it is not mandatory to be certified, I am doing it because I am learning more than I would if I did not do it. Some of the grooming techniques I can use on my everyday dogs, even if I am not grooming the whole dog to the standard. That is another reason I like to compete. I dont know where you are from, but in our area, many of us have come together to do seminars, travel to shows etc...Try to get some people from your area together and set up some test dates. You are here on Petgroomer.com and that is definately a step in the right direction.
            What does a dog do on it's day off?

            Comment


            • #7
              Also, ISCC will protor your tests (written anyway) so you can do them at your leisure in your home town. You would only have to do the practicals elsewhere or bring in a certifier to test you. YES its expensive, but to me, the certificates on the wall set me apart and made me a better groomer. Worth the time and money. I got my NDGAA tests done in one weekend, btw.
              <a href="http://www.groomwise.typepad.com/grooming_smarter" target="_blank">My Blog</a> The two most important days in your life are the day you are born and the day you find out why. –Mark Twain

              Comment


              • #8
                I too find this frustrating. I'm in Tennessee and there's nowhere in reasonable distance to do the testing. I'd like to be certified but it's not realistic. It's just not worth having to board my dogs and rescue can't pay to board my fosters. Not to mention blowing the cash. I'm so low volume, and more focused on my photography, I really don't know if it's worth the investment.

                I read some groomer's website (no clue who) recommending pet owners look only for certified groomers. Conveniently, she was certified. I don't know if it's a state requirement there, but if not, lame. Ugh.
                That Tenacious Terrier!
                www.thattenaciousterrier.com
                https://www.facebook.com/ThatTenaciousTerrier

                Comment


                • #9
                  Originally posted by Canopener Sally View Post
                  I read some groomer's website (no clue who) recommending pet owners look only for certified groomers. Conveniently, she was certified. I don't know if it's a state requirement there, but if not, lame. Ugh.
                  Definitely LAME since there are no state requirements
                  The ocean is a desert with it's life underground and the perfect disguise above><((((؛>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸ ><((((؛>¸.
                  ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><((((؛>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><((( (؛>

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Sorry, but the certificates on the wall don't make you a better groomer.

                    YOU make yourself a better groomer through learning, through studying up on things related to dog's health and skin issues, and shampoos, and techniques.

                    The piece of paper is supposed to tell OTHER people that you know this stuff. Myself, I let my grooming do my talking, not a peice of paper. Technically I had a certificate from the person who trained me, but it's gone(house fire) and I never bothered to replace it. Why? Because I've been grooming over a decade at that point, and if someone wants to know how much I know, they can very well ask me, or look at my work.

                    The learning and the knowledge means more than a piece of paper from what is, in essance, a private organization without any federal or state authority.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      I know there are a lot of really good groomers out there. I consider myself a good groomer but I also would like to be certified. I don't try and fool myself about how much more I want / need to learn. I attend seminars twice a year read all I can. No it isn't manditory and yea there are those "we'll make you a groomer in 5 weeks" type of certified. However I can admire someone who has taken the time to learn all you need to learn to become NDGAA certified, and has put it to the test.
                      Like another on here said save your tips. To attend superzoo I started to save tips one month prior, lets just say I got everything I wanted with my tips. As soon as I got back I started to save for a class I want to attend out of state and for serveral weeks. I should be able to go by Feb. of next yr. If there is a will there is a way.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        in reality...

                        you COULD get certified in one weekend. groom your four dogs, take your four tests... (for IPG) pay your dues, and if you pass.... you are done! you have to study of course...

                        Most don't do it this way, because they don't really know what to expect. So they do one here and there...

                        I did my poodle, and my non-sporting in one weekend... then I did my short legged terrier, my sporting dog, my terrier test, and my sporting test all in one weekend...

                        I did my long legged terrier while competing, but i didn't study for my masters, so I still have that to do.

                        I'm sure there's a place on this site that tells you when and where the testing takes place. It CAN be done in someone's salon. If you knew enough groomers in your area that were interested, you could organize it at your or another groomer's salon. Find some judges willing to come, and vwalla... you have a testing site.

                        There are always options. I know some judges... so whenever i'm ready, I can fly down to their salon on Vancouver island, and do my last test. My sister lives down there, so i'm bound to be going there sometime Anyway....

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          What drives me crazy

                          about certification is that what you need to be certified is not always what clients want! So if you force the "certified" version of a grooming of a pure bred on a client and they don't like or want it- WHAT IS THE POINT??? And how do you certify on a mutt! Oh excuse me- mixed breed!
                          You want to groom? Get the basics down and then if you can afford the time and money to do the rest - knock yourself out. Save tips, get loans, whatever floats your boat, but you better be happy doing it otherwise it's just another job.
                          Good luck.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by AuntieBeth View Post
                            about certification is that what you need to be certified is not always what clients want! So if you force the "certified" version of a grooming of a pure bred on a client and they don't like or want it- WHAT IS THE POINT??? And how do you certify on a mutt! Oh excuse me- mixed breed!
                            You want to groom? Get the basics down and then if you can afford the time and money to do the rest - knock yourself out. Save tips, get loans, whatever floats your boat, but you better be happy doing it otherwise it's just another job.
                            Good luck.

                            Auntiebeth, from what I understand ISCC is more about skin, coat care, and health with styles being secondary. I also personally want to certify through ISCC but for my own sense of accomplishment and want of knowledge rather than any certificates to decorate my walls with [but I will definately hang them...lol].

                            And you dont have to force any style on a client. Thats not the point. The point is being ABLE to do it if you are asked to ;-]
                            SheilaB from SC

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Getting my certificates made me a better groomer. I still feel that. AS for pushing certified grooms on clients, HECK I sometimes do more 7 all overs in a week than anything else! HOWEVER I do like the fact that I know HOW to do the breed standard grooms that others in my are do not. I mean, I see more westies with bushy, pomeranian type tails, to fix than you would believe, or how about snzs with the eyes shaved out all the way to the corner and the groomer thinks it is correct, not just because the owner asks for it! I get these dogs in to fix every week. This week it was two westies. The groomer is one I know and she told me once I dont know what I am doing with westies cause I cut the hair off their tails and leave the corners of their eyes "fluffy" (her words not mine).....DO IMO the certs make me better. They say I KNOW what to do, even if I dont always get to do it. PLUS I learned so much about each breed and techniques I would not have dealt with getting certified.

                              AS for mutts. well, NDGAA is having now offering a HS cert that includes the option to do it on mixes, and I was told someone else is planning on a mixed certification, but not sure it went through.
                              <a href="http://www.groomwise.typepad.com/grooming_smarter" target="_blank">My Blog</a> The two most important days in your life are the day you are born and the day you find out why. –Mark Twain

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X