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    Canadian Food Inspection Agency

    DOGGIE DIET: Raw food advocate Laural Eacott says raw food is the best way to feed her pets. She feels the ongoing commercial pet food fiasco could have been avoided if there were strict rules monitoring the content of pet food.

    Vet and dog groomer disagree on feeding

    Motivated by massive recalls of dog and cat food products across North America, groomer Laural Eacott is making a stand for raw food, but not without opposition.

    "I have a dog and a cat and I feed raw, definitely," she said. "There are no rules for commercial pet food. There's nobody that monitors their contents."

    The most popular version of the raw diet is the bones and raw food diet, or BARF for short.
    "I started feeding raw because a friend of mine was doing it and her dogs were so healthy. My dog was 14 years old and she was dragging her butt. It just turned her into a puppy again."

    Eacott doesn't have a grinder powerful enough to handle animal bone, so she buys her food frozen from a manufacturer. The ingredients on the raw food label reassure her; bone, yams, apples and celery don't ring the same alarm bells as propylene glycol and ethoxyquin.

    "Dogs are omnivores; they eat fruit and vegetables," she said. "They do not eat grain, they do not eat corn. But look at most labels, it's cornmeal and corn byproducts."

    She said she could tell what people are feeding their pets by the condition of their skin and hair. Pets fed on the raw diet come in looking healthier, she said.

    According to Eacott, commercial pet food is slowly killing pets. "Pet food's only been around for 25 years. We used table scraps before then. They only reason they made pet food is because the larger companies had to find somewhere for their byproducts to go."

    Brian Barnes, a local veterinarian, disagrees. "Raw foods have been around for a while and they've always been promoted as the diet, but people are forgetting dogs in the wild weren't living to the ages of domestic dogs," he said.

    Barnes said raw food also presents concerns of bacterial contamination; pets can become infected with E. coli and salmonella and act as conduits to transmit the diseases to their owners. "Raw food, being organic, sounds good until you look at it from a scientific perspective," he said. "Look at dog food companies. They are the ones that are spurring the research for animal health."

    Barnes said the Westview Veterinary Hospital has been flooded by faxes from companies issuing updates and releases on the recalls. From the releases, it seems most big companies are putting strong safeguards into place.

    "They test the ingredients before they go in and then hold the manufactured diet until they get the analysis," he said. "This has caused a multimillion-dollar problem in the industry and it's a real wakeup call."

    The recalls, which began last month, were fueled by reports of renal failure in pets. The recalls were initially associated with the consumption of wet pet foods, made with wheat gluten, tainted with industrial chemical melamine from a single Chinese company. A voluntary recall began with Ontario's Menu Foods, North America's largest maker of wet cat and dog food, pulling its products off store shelves when an internal test showed sickness and death in test animals.

    To date, several major companies have recalled more than 100 brands of pet foods among fears of melamine contamination.

    The recalls have put pressure on the federal government to regulate the pet food manufacturing industry and Ottawa has asked the Canadian Food Inspection Agency to review the matter.
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  • #2
    so much to take in

    But I would like to say that my parents fed Skippy dog food to our family dog about well over 50 years ago. Wish when reporters report they would do all they could to get at all of the facts, then list theory and conjecture as that, not as fact.

    Still interesting, dogs long ago for sure did not have Dog Food.
    Money will buy you a pretty good dog but it won't buy the wag of it's tail.


    • #3
      "Dog Food" came out in the 40's.

      Most vets are woefully ignorant on nutrition. That's all I'm gonna say...


      • #4
        Someone needs to tell the @#*$%&%# coyotes that dogs don't eat corn. Maybe then they'd stay out of my garden! And yes, it's coyotes. I've caught them in the act.

        And that's all I'M going to say....


        • #5
          Originally posted by Helly View Post
          Someone needs to tell the @#*$%&%# coyotes that dogs don't eat corn. Maybe then they'd stay out of my garden! And yes, it's coyotes. I've caught them in the act.

          And that's all I'M going to say....
          LOL! sorry about your corn, but is sooo good fresh!

          i didn't realize that an omnivore diet excluded grains...


          • #6
            Speaking as one who was in the Army and before that not in the best ways financially even I will eat anything if it would mean I would starve otherwise. Food is food. Dose not mean what I would eat is good for me or tasty but it was sustenance. Give a 2 y/o a choice between a twinkie and brussell sprouts they take the twinkie.

            I don't trust some one who advocates a product (comerical dog/cat food)were the manufacture of said product paid for the only education that person got about it. Most vets who do there own research won't advocate the majority of pet food on the market.


            • #7
              Yeah and long ago when it was Pilgrims and Indians. People didn't have sugar. Now it's in everything, or even worse sugar substitute. I wonder why were all fat. First came bread next came pasta, now I know we don't need bread and pasta to be healthy but we still eat it don't we. Because it taste good. We want our pet to like their food just like we like ours. Bottom line. Some foods I open up the bag and it smells like a jar of vitamins. Yuck. When I open a bag of Bil Jac it smells yummy like baked chicken. I want to feed my dog food that is good for them and they like a lot. If we only ate food that was good for us ALL the time- how bland would that be. No chocolate double fudge cake. not even a taste. How boring and tasteless would our meals be.


              • #8
                I was thinking the same thing as Helly. Well...sort of.

                When the groomer says, "Dogs don't eat grain, or corn," my thinking was...MY DOG DOES!! If I set rice or corn or barley in his bowl, it's GONE!

                Korean dogs eat kimchee, rice, veggies, fish, eggs, you name it, whatever is left over. Dogs are scavengers and have been from the beginning of time.

                My mom lived in alaska for over 25 years, some of the sled dogs eat coffee grinds, egg shells...not what I would feed MY dog, but it didn't kill these dogs.

                Just "food" for thought. Dogs are living longer now than ever, and sometimes it's on PURINA DOG CHOW!

                Tammy in Utah
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                • #9
                  To quote a very wise woman. If it aint broke, don't fix it. If a dog is perfectly healty on Ol' Roy then so be it. It is my choice to cook for my dogs. I do reccomend food changes when I see skin or health problems, but ohterwise I keep my mouth shut.
                  If your dog is fat, you are not getting enough exercise!


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Shei77 View Post
                    Speaking as one who was in the Army and before that not in the best ways financially even I will eat anything if it would mean I would starve otherwise. Food is food. Dose not mean what I would eat is good for me or tasty but it was sustenance. Give a 2 y/o a choice between a twinkie and brussell sprouts they take the twinkie.
                    I can assure you that the local coyote population is by no means on the verge of starvation. There are way too many suicidal deer in the area for that to happen. They run out in front of cars, get hit, and stumble off into the fields and swamps to die. The coyotes are well fed on venison. They also take a few lambs and calves every so often, too.

                    They eat my corn, tomatoes, beans, and whatever else I've tried to grow because they like them. And I wouldn't compare my fresh veggies to a Twinkie, either.

                    But my real point is that when people say dogs are omnivores, but they don't eat grains or corn, they just might be mistaken. My boys are well fed, but they'll snag an ear of corn if they get the chance. And they go out in the yard and eat the seed heads on the grass, too. And that's grain.


                    • #11
                      Timberwolfe Organics seems to be an excellent food, and my dogs scarf it up!! even my Wiggle Lee, the doxie, who's oh so picky! lol


                      • #12
                        Dogs love corn. Ours eat it right off the cob whenever they get the chance which is only towards the end of Summer. Dogs also love beets, spinach, peas and several other vegetables. Sometimes I mix cans of veggies(no corn) with there food and they go crazy. I wish I had the passion for veggies they have. Sometimes I steam carrots for them for snacks. They don't digest raw carrots very well.


                        • #13

                          this thread started out so long ago that it needs to be updated.
                          Raw foods have come a long way and while there are still naysayers -the process has come a very long way.
                          Can't live without my B.A.R.F. diet


                          • #14
                            Corn is not digested....just take a

                            So....a vet in the next town is a strong advocate of raw diet. He is a holistic vet. For every one side presented you can find someone on the same "level" who has the exact opposite opinion.

                            If salmonella or e-coli is passed to the human, its because that human didn't handle the food correctly. Ignorant handling of the food by a human doesn't mean the raw diet is bad.

                            Wild wolves have a lifespan of 7-8 years while those in capitivity have a life span of 15 years. Are they feeding the wolves in captivity dog they're not. The difference is not soley due to food and for the vet to make that comparison isn't fair.
                            don't find yourself up a creek without a poodle.


                            • #15
                              Any animal in the wild has a shorter life span. Usually due to predation. Or disease. Or environment. Or humans, as in hitting them with cars or taking away their resources. Or even in hunting certain species. Diet to wild animals is neccessity. If they can't find their natural "Meat" they will go for whatever is there. Corn, and anything grown in a garden. Your flowers. Even small pets in cases of bob cats or mountain lions, or coyotes. Sometimes even small kids.
                              I do support conservation. Here, we have an explosive population of deer. In the urban areas. Some people look at them as a pest, others look at them as food. Cept ya can't hunt in urban areas. It brings up a whole circle of events that trigger this sort of thing of what to do about it. Like how it started, how do we control it, and what do we do right now about it. Very controvercial.