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  • Update to the "show dog" poodle situation, whine

    Ok, so she came in the day before Thanksgiving. She brought in two dogs, the show dog was supposed to be a standard, and was more like a large mini (who still had dew claws?) so I was sort of happy to see it wasn't poodlezilla. I gave her a quote before I got started on the dog, of about 3.5 - 4 shih tzus told her about our hourly rate and she said that around the 4 shih tzu rate would be good. She didn't look like she was made out of money, semi ****** car, plain clothes. Also mentioned to not worry about brushing out all the tangles if he had any (wtf?) that they brushed him daily, and agreed to shave all short areas (she said about 1/2 off because it will be cold...) trim all poms, and light tidying on the body.
    I spent my time washing him, tried to do things right, took a good while. I had some issues following the lines that had been shaved, the poms on the butt were hard to follow, and there was a lot of second guessing involved, costing extra time. The owner did her own handy work at trying to follow the breeders lines, I'll include a picture of the front pom poms and how uneven they were. I ended up doing a #10 reverse on the body.
    I spent WAY TOO MUCH time on this freaking dog. I am embarassed to say how many hours. I've been getting over a cold this past week and am not 100%, moving slower, second guessing myself making things take even longer.
    In the early evening the owner called and was like "tell her to stop! I can't afford this anymore!" So I talked to her and told her I was just going to charge her the rate of the 4 Shih Tzus that we talked about, and said that I'm sure someone who is used to doing this all the time is probably faster at it, but technically by our hourly rate he should be much much more than what I am charging. I didn't feel right charging her appropriately because I knew the haircut wouldn't be up to par. I considered it a learning experience, and knew I would not be making as much as I should at this point. She said she needed to pick him up within the next hour, and I said he wouldn't be done. She said she would come in an hour and would just need to take him at whatever point I was at. oooooooooookkkkkkkkkkkk... At this point, I was tired. The dog was tired. I knew I would be making the same amount no matter what was completed, and I was annoyed because things didn't look right due to owner hacking so it didn't really matter anyway. I did a quick neaten outline on the body, and had enough. It wasn't like I could start in on something and have her pick up the dog with one section unfinished... oh wait, I kind of did..... bleh
    I worked for about 30 more mins, and I did my cleaning for the day, was there about an hour 20 mins past when I last talked to the owner and they still wern't there. I work at a boarding kennel, so when we are done grooming we go home and the main office handles things. Closed up the grooming area, turned off the lights, grab my purse and now they show up. I was nice, went and talked to them, reopened grooming area to check them out so they wouldn't have to wait in the huge boarding line. The commented that the cost on their second dog was so low. And... no tip? It isn't like she didn't know about tipping, she used to tip me when I groomed her old puppy. She knew I was giving her a huuuge break on the price, I just can't believe it. I blocked off my entire day for this dog, and if I hadn't done that I probably would have made double my money.
    I've learned my lesson though. I feel like I was completely taken advantage of. I've just got to be better about saying "no" and sticking to my guns. I didn't want to do this dog to begin with, and I should have never done it. But I feel really disappointed for the lack of acknowledgement for how much work I really did put into the dog (minus the last 1/2 hour where I gave up), frustrated that things never had a chance at looking right from the beginning due to owner hacking, and I'm mad at myself for not charging for my time! I haven't let that happen in a long time. Oh well.

    I'm including some before and after pictures. Please no major critiques, I know things are off. I know the poms are shaped wrong. The body had very minimal trimming and is unfinished. I'm doing an adequate job of beating myself up over the whole thing already!

    Anyway, that was that, and I refuse to ever do the dog again

    ps- on a more positive note, we finally got our first eggs this week from our chickens we've been raising. That forum on here a few months ago about chickens helped push me to decide to get them, so thank you to all those chicken lovers out there!
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    Dog looks good

    I think you did a fine job, and you are right that many would be far faster. Since the dog is not huge, and if it was not matted, I think I would take about 2.5 hours, and I am not a fast groomer. (OK, 3 hours if I didn't want to rush.)

    So it really wasn't an "all-day job" generally, although it was for you. So you would be better off not doing her so that you don't lose out on $$ and don't overcharge for the job, since the woman can't afford to pay double for it, or whatever your rate would end up being since it takes you long.

    But don't beat yourself up - and I was laughing at the egg photo, wondering if you put it in there because you thought pom-poms should be that shape! Then I wondered if you were "beating yourself up" like a bunch of eggs, haha. THEN I read about them being your first eggs from your chickens. lolololol

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    • #3
      Well done. There are plenty of clients who will take advantage and just assume they should get plenty for not much $. You learnt your lesson - follow your gut instinct next time.

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      • #4
        That dog just doesn't look right, and it's NOT your grooming! I have never shown poodles all though I have helped out just ringside "prepping" for poodle handling friends (just teasing and spraying)

        That dog looked like he would be better off as a corded pet (looked like he was about top cord in the befores LOL) I wouldn't touch him again, not that I don't think you are qualified, I don't think the owner is taking ANY of this seriously. Just don't get involved, the fact that she doesn't even want his "shaved" parts done too short (per your original posts) is enough right there.

        I think you did an ok job with what you were given. I wouldn't think badly about him having dewclaws. I finished a Borzoi with his intact because the breeder was all into leaving dogs natural, and you can't hide thiers. For some that is the thing now adays
        If you sweat the small stuff, all you have is small soggy stuff.....

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        • #5
          Doing out someones else show poo,who isn't brushing,or grooming it properly sounds like a thankless task, to me. I wouldn't do it again either,if she shows up with him at the handler's,or breeders.or whover is going to show him,and they want to know why he isn't in proper coat,etc. the woman will probably blame you. Are you sure he is a show poo? It is very hard to tell,as he may have been just cold ,or tired,but the one thing you can never win with is a low tailset,or a dog who does not kee his tail up.
          "Everyone needs something to beleive in..I beleive I need another Poodle"
          Quote:Cath

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          • #6
            I forgot to say your rosettes look really good! Those are hard.
            "Everyone needs something to beleive in..I beleive I need another Poodle"
            Quote:Cath

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            • #7
              Thats a lot of work for 4 shih tzus pay! You did a great job.

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              • #8
                I think he looks good!

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                • #9
                  Now you can say been there, done that. I wouldn't want to keep a client like that but the learning experience (both grooming and customer relations) made it worthwhile to do once.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by stewiedog View Post
                    That dog just doesn't look right, and it's NOT your grooming! I have never shown poodles all though I have helped out just ringside "prepping" for poodle handling friends (just teasing and spraying)

                    That dog looked like he would be better off as a corded pet (looked like he was about top cord in the befores LOL) I wouldn't touch him again, not that I don't think you are qualified, I don't think the owner is taking ANY of this seriously. Just don't get involved, the fact that she doesn't even want his "shaved" parts done too short (per your original posts) is enough right there.

                    I think you did an ok job with what you were given. I wouldn't think badly about him having dewclaws. I finished a Borzoi with his intact because the breeder was all into leaving dogs natural, and you can't hide thiers. For some that is the thing now adays
                    The whole situation is just weird. I don't think having the dew claws left on in this situation was from a breeder wanting to be natural, because the tail had been docked.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Poodleluv View Post
                      Doing out someones else show poo,who isn't brushing,or grooming it properly sounds like a thankless task, to me. I wouldn't do it again either,if she shows up with him at the handler's,or breeders.or whover is going to show him,and they want to know why he isn't in proper coat,etc. the woman will probably blame you. Are you sure he is a show poo? It is very hard to tell,as he may have been just cold ,or tired,but the one thing you can never win with is a low tailset,or a dog who does not kee his tail up.
                      Well, she says she got him from a breeder in California who was showing him... I can't say how successful he has been though. When you put him on the ground and walk him around his tail is very perky. I was just so shocked at the size of him, I wish I had measured him, but we had 3 female standards in the shop that day, his back was about 6" lower than theirs.

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                      • #12
                        I think you did a really good job, and definitely did at least as well as you told her you would do.

                        I'm having trouble classifying this dog as a standard poodle... Did you measure it? It really looks like a miniature.

                        I know it was not worth the price for grooming, but honestly I think that it was worth it for the practice you got on the dog. If you think of it that way, it might make you feel a little better about all the time you spent. To put it in perspective, I have spent hours and hours grooming dogs in school, and I paid thousands of dollars to do that! I know it isn't quite the same thing, but at least you got paid something for it!

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                        • #13
                          I know here in Canada, a standard poodle is considered a poodle measuring over 15" at the highest point of the shoulder, a mini is over 10" to a maximum of 15" and a toy is under 10". So I can see there being "Standards" out there that may look small.

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                          • #14
                            I'm excited

                            I get to groom a show mini every week... (until the owner sends it back because "something" is wrong, meaning it isn't going to get group firsts, so it isn't good enough... he has a rep for doing that) He is a very nice looking little man. I did him once, and he was only 13 weeks old at that point.

                            I am so itching to do some show grooming again. I would have done the dog if I could.

                            He looked good considering. You can't propery groom the body until the topknot is pulled, and sprayed up anyway, so just keeping the lower half of the jacket tidy is good enough anyway.

                            I think 4 shih tzus is more than worth the groom... unfortunately you are slower right now. I think i'd feel guilty charging someone that much. Last show groom I did, I charged 2.75 shih tzus and he was matted... (should have been more) AND he was 27 iches.

                            So good for you for charging that much. too bad it wasn't a better experience for you though.

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                            • #15
                              Very nice and much better from the befor pics. Also I do not see a big deal on still having the dew claws as log as they are trimmed. I do not get my dogs tails docked or dews removed.

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