I was reading about whether any dogs survive IMHA
Less than 50% and they eventually die by 370 days or way less. BUT an ad for Bio-Algae seems to have testimonials. May just be an ad and not true. But IF it ever happens to my dogs again I will Not use traditional drugs. My opinion is NOT to suppress immune but to build it up holistically next time. Nothing, absolutely nothing to loose and can't hurt to use Spirulina as it won't hurt the liver, etc. Live and learn too late for my girl. Testimonials are impressive....wonder if they are true. No, I am not blaming self or have regrets .I did my best at the time. When I look at my new baby age not 2 til Nov, I know it could happen again and I need to be better prepared if it does.
Last edited by Jenneversage64; 06-13-10 at 07:26 AM.
I'm sorry, but you've made a few serious mistakes here, and hopefully you'll understand things better if it ever happens again.
When you are dealing with an autoimmune illness, the LAST thing you want to do is build up or bolster the immune system. It's already assaulting the body with rifles and granades. Why would you want to give it tanks and Predator drones carrying MOABs?
Second, you cannot address this holistically. You might address it naturally, although I don't know if that would be any better than modern medications. Natural doesn't mean safe. There are lots of natural "medications" that can kill.
I'm not sure we can really treat pets holistically, because we cannot engage their minds. Holistic treatment uses biofeedback and mental imagery a great deal. We can't do that with animals. We can't talk to them about their feelings, and we can't encourage them to use their minds to fight their disease. That's all part of holistic treatment; engaging the whole person. Holism is about "whole" and if we can't utilize the whole, it's not holistic.
It would be better for you to drop this right now. You're too emotionally involved to be able to sort out what's valid and what's a bunch of hooey. No one on the internet is going to admit that what they're suggesting is a bunch of hooey, because they want you to buy something. DON'T believe everything people are telling you, especially if they have their hand reaching for your wallet.
Helly, I could never stray too far off into the weeds, so to speak
because your rational advice would always steer me back to truth and reality. Any huge ( or not so huge) decision I would consider I would run by you first. I do wonder how good even the best dry dog food is and I think a little supplement might help, especially if it can't hurt. It might only help me, in my mind.
Just trying to keep my furkids in the best of health, as we all are. This forum is like having Helly as my next door neighbor. I always get a quick reply. Thanks Helly.
Jen, I don't think there is a "best" food; dry, canned, semimoist, raw, nothing will work for every animal. I think you have to find one that works well for your individual dog, and then don't fix it.
I do think it's a good idea to add some "real" foods to your pet's diet, if they'll eat them. Raw veggies like green beans and carrots, yogurt, eggs, geens like spinach or kale. If you want to get the nutritional value of kale, cook it first. If you want the nutritional value of beans and carrots, grind them before feeding.
It's been widely believed for a long time that you have to cook egg whites before feeding them. But if you're feeding whole eggs, it's probably not necessary, unless you're concerned about salmonella. Check the egg carton; some eggs are now pasturized, so you don't need to worry about salmonella or other disease causing organisms. It's also okay to boil the egg and chop it up, shell and all. Egg shells have lots of minerals that are good for your dogs.
Helly, when my dog was sick with what they thought was AID, his treatment was so different than what they had Jen doing for Allie. My vet had me take him off all commercial food. I cooked for him daily. His diet was rice and/chicken/turkey/chicken livers, plus they had him on a senior multi vitiam. He was also on steriods & antibotics. When I 1st took him in they said they didn't think he would make it thru the night!!! My dog got better eventually. Jen & I had several pm dicussions as to her dogs treatment, and I kept questioning her diet, but she did what she was told! My vet isn't a hi tech expennsive specialist, but just a small neighborhood clinic. I really feel my dogs diet had a huge role in his recovery. I think the hi fat content of his diet kept his body going so he could fight what ever was attacking his immune system, unlike Allie, who just wasted away, with organ failure. I understand her frustration at doing what she was told, with out any postitive results. I don't blame her for questioning treatment if it ever happends to her again.
I lost my dog in 5 days to IMHA. It's auto immune. I do not know that diet could have prevented it. If my dog would have survived it, I do not know that diet could prevent it to occur again. If I knew ahead of time that my dog was subject to such a disease, I would have looked into some things. But I don't think there is anything to predict it, or to ward it off. At least not to my knowledge. No more vaccines if she would have survived. This disease attacks the red blood cells. Not a good thing to happen to any animal.
I am sorry for your loss too. The only comfort I can offer you is that your dog didn't suffer and have her body become emaciated from the medications. It depleated her body mass as well as my savings account. I read everything I could but I was deceived and also in denile. I will never use Prednisone ever again. There is nothing to predict it and nothing to prevent it as far as I know. And it usually attacks five yr old females. I had never heard of it before my girl got it.
Jen, I only dealt with ER vets on my girl. They told me that it could have been going on for some time. I never saw any indication that it could have been. But I may just not have seen the signs. And I certainly wasn't looking for any signs because I never heard of it before she became ill. I have read that vaccs can trigger it. And it occurs more frequently in some breeds. The vets at the ER told me that they have seen dogs come in that were in better shape than my dog, and not make it. And vice versa. My dogs were, and still are on very good diets. Something in the immune system goes haywire. I don't think it's our fault. I am so sorry for your loss. It is really a terrible illness. And as hard as it is for us to watch our pets die from this disease. I think it's much harder for the dog to go through it. I know my baby girl felt pretty darned bad during her last days.
My dog survived IMHA
I just want to give hope to all of you. My then eight-year old portuguese water dog developed IMHA a little over a year ago. She was on death's door. I am sure that most people would have put her down, but I just couldn't. She was on two immune suppressive drugs and wasn't getting better. She needed two blood transfusions. She then went on a third drug and finally started to bounce back. She was able to return home after a week, with a cocktail of meds, frequent follow ups visits and very close supervision. We gradually weaned her off almost all of her meds. She's down to a small dose of the last immune suppressive drug and she should be weaned off of that one completely in the near future.
She's been healthy for almost 14 months now. She's playful and happy and better than she had been for a least two years leading up to her crisis. She doesn't get vaccinated anymore because vaccinations rev up the immune system -- a big no no with this kind of disease. There are certain antibiotics we avoid. But all in all, she leads a normal, healthy and happy life.
Maybe her story is isn't the everyday one, but it's a possible one. My vet sent me to a specialty vet that had 24 ICU care, with specialists. That made a difference, I'm sure. The vets were honest with me. I asked them not to give me false hope and they promised to tell me when they thought the options were long shots as opposed to reasonable possibilities. We achieved success before we got to the long shots.
Those of you who lost your pets have my deepest sympathy. But I also want those who are fighting this disease to know that there is hope.
Just diagnosed with IMHA
My husband and I are devastated with the IMHA diagnosis. Our dog "Froggy" is 5 years old, mix Basset Hound/German Shepherd, currently admitted in a 24 hour care hospital for 5 days now, totally jaundice. One of the doctors said the other day, only 15% chance. Well...we'd like to take that chance, we don't want to give up and we can see that Froggy wants to get well and fight this difficult battle and win. The hospital gave IV fluids for rehydration, 2 meds and a blood transfusion. After 48 hours of blood transfusion... his red blood cells are stable at 23 and blood clotting stopped. At the moment he'd play a little and lays down, just exhausted (so sorry for our little guy, with the kindest soul).
Your write up is very inspiring, thank you from the bottom of my heart. We love our dog very much and willing to do whatever it takes for him to live longer and hopefully like yours...be able to play again and go for long walks.
Is it possible to know the 3 type of meds they gave your precious. Also what kind of food and vitamins worked for her. Your input is very important to us, please help.
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Thanks and best regards,
I did a quick search and I found this board....very informative
Thank you kat05, appreciate that.